In the first part of the show Dr. Addison Killean Stark of the Bipartisan Policy Center is back to talk about the Crescent Dunes Solar Plant filing for bankruptcy and how we need space for failure to tackle climate change.

In the last part of the show I am joined by author Gemma Milne to talk about her book, Smoke & Mirrors: How Hype Obscures the Future and How to See Past It.